for alliance resources consulting and bob murray and associates. as we all would expect if a vendor gives a reference we're going to get something that is good back because you wouldn't give a reference to get a bad evaluation, but the references did elicit some good information. for alliance, they were used for a number of recruitment efforts, specifically they have done marin, they have done contra costa county, san mateo, san jose, a large group of building agencies. talk to the director of human resources, they were satisfied with what has occurred. alliance also provides the recruitment for all the positions in contra costa county, which i think was interesting. they were asked to -- the references were asked to rate the quality of the candidates and they said that they were outstanding and this was specific to a question about a chief building official recruitment. and the other thing that he found out was that this vendor is flexible in working with the hiring authority to meet the specific needs including scheduled meetings with subject matter experts, development of recruitment